Curse

Kaida the Heartless · Nov 09, 2007, 03:41 AM // 03:41

Guess they need more practice at splits then, eh?

Cale Roughstar · Nov 09, 2007, 03:46 AM // 03:46

Wohoo, the days of LoD are out, and WoH is back in! =p

Also Healing Breeze BUFF!! To the Wammos!

Faith Falls Fast · Nov 09, 2007, 03:46 AM // 03:46

Overall this made me angry. I use a Rt/W to farm the Underworld, Splinter Weapon being a part of the build. I am very angry.

Feathermoore Rep · Nov 09, 2007, 03:49 AM // 03:49

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Originally Posted by Antheus

But for PvE, c'mon. Barrage is the lamest of all PvE skills as it is. Why not focus on stuff rangers excel at?

Because the other stuff Rangers excel at have very limited uses in PvE other than farming.

Trapping - Pretty much limited to farming only. I can run a trapper, but it doesn't work very as you either need spirits to make the recharge/cost lower or you need to bring a stance to increase trap rate which negates the use of whirling to avoid being interupted. You could bring trapper's focus as an elite however you lose the awesomeness of smoke trap. So you have to make a choice.

Interupts - Singular use, low dmg. Horrible for PvE other than bosses, monks, and preventing rez. Even then you only need dshot or/and savage shot depending on your interupt skills.

Spirits - To many possible uses and long cast/recharge times. Just not that great other than the occassional FW.

Barrow - good elite. rangers need this esp for pvp. and it works well....in pvp. for pve however you can run out of e quick esp in prolonged battles.

Condition/preps - Provides good pressure and support however not everything is vunerable to conditions.

Pets - I can't think of a good way to use a pet in pve off the top of my head other than tanking or minion fodder.

and that pretty much leaves;
Barrage - AoE dmg, low cost, quick recharge, dmg modifier. Compared to any other ranger elite this is the most pve suited.

And considering the dmg output and support of other profession, the splinter barrage build put rangers on par with everyone else for once. Now after this reduction, rangers are pushed back down to the bottom yet again.

So excuse me for getting a lil miffed when a viable skill/build gets changed on a class that got shafted to begin with and never got changed, while there exists a whole class that can equal the ranged dmg output of a ranger easily, has a whole new skill type that can't be removed, has passive defense that no other class has, and effectively does the job of 3 different professions for the price of one. (If you don't get it - your just stupid or ignorant).

Vickie · Nov 09, 2007, 03:53 AM // 03:53

PVP wise:

I'm surprised Deadly Arts Sins were left untouched. But like what somebody already said in the other thread, they're Sins doing just what they're supposed to do: kill. So... yep.

PVE wise:
Aww @ Magebane Shot. I was using it on my Jin in HM and she'd been so awesome...

And LoD... Mhenlo in GW:EN... Ouch.

Burst Cancel · Nov 09, 2007, 03:53 AM // 03:53

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Originally Posted by Mohnzh

Yeah, so I kind of expected LoD to get "balanced" sooner or later, but this is horrible. It is now weaker than its non-elite counterpart, which makes no sense at all. Yes, it has a lower energy requirement, but the only reason I had it on my skill bar was because of its reduced cast time. Now, anywhere that Heal Party would get interrupted, so will LoD. Who cares how much energy it takes if you are never going to get it off anyway?

What's better?
Energy: LoD
Recharge: HP
Healing power: HP
Cast time: both FTL

Actually, on cast time Heal Party clearly wins now, because you can run it with a buffed Healer's Boon. LoD is just SOL.

Horible · Nov 09, 2007, 03:56 AM // 03:56

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Originally Posted by Feathermoore Rep

Because the other stuff Rangers excel at have very limited uses in PvE other than farming.

Am i missing the sarcasm here? I don't know what kind of builds you are using for the categories you stated, but the Ranger excels at multiple aspects of Guild Wars that no other class can. For example, a skilled Ranger can manage with 1 or 2 interrupts on a condition build with a pet for pressure, damage, and utility interrupts. This deadly combination SHOULD be widely accepted into PvE teams however the current state of Guild Wars allows only cookie cutter teams.

Rangers can single handedly manuver through a dungeon as more than 1 utility player using a variety of skills that fit the area of exploration. Using these combinations will provide good support for your team and provide sufficient damage and even interrupts for any need, be it res or boss etc.

Horible

Snow Bunny · Nov 09, 2007, 03:59 AM // 03:59

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Originally Posted by Vulkanyaz

Anet despises farmers though remember?

Nice trolling Snow Bunny *highfive*.

Psssh.

He put out the bait, I bit it.

Trolling is the lubrication of intelligent debate.

@Zeek

LoD is so beaten into the crapper that there is no way any pvpers will use it. The way it stands now, it is borderline on par with Heal Party, except that Heal Party can be used with Healer's Boon.

LoD < WoH atm.

Kha · Nov 09, 2007, 04:09 AM // 04:09

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Originally Posted by Batou of Nine

I get to scrap about 10 LoD PvE builds, hybrids and the like based on being able to spam this previously awesome skill.

You were obsessed with that skill anyways. Now you have to actually think about your builds

They nerfed it a bit too hard, but a nerf was in order. Now you have to find another elite to marry :P

Quote:

Originally Posted by Batou of Nine

Idk why im posting, i stopped playing for like a month now. haha.

Get your sorry butt back in the game. I need someone to blame for all my GW problems!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeek Aran

I was using Glimmer BEFORE this update.

Why? Seriously... why?

Sqube · Nov 09, 2007, 04:15 AM // 04:15

Wow. I actually feel kind of weird posting in here, saying that I approve of the changes and hope that we'll see some refreshing new things happening. But yeah, screw ANet! z0mg wtf Anurfz?!//123/lollOlulz

That said, I've only got one question: since ANet seems to be slowly phasing out the -armor skills in favor of cracked armor, what's up with [skill=text]Shadowy Burden[/skill]? I mean, that seems like kind of a no-brainer. And it's not like they weren't thinking of cracked armor, because they fixed Weaken Armor already.

Just throwing that out there. Sorry to interrupt your ANet hate-fest. Feel free to return to your complaints about how the LoD nerf will spell doom to every monk build, forever and ever, amen.

Master Ketsu · Nov 09, 2007, 04:15 AM // 04:15

Still no removal of HB from TA. Anet Auto fails. It's blatantly obvious that the bulk of the serious TA community is disgusted with the change.

X Cytherea X · Nov 09, 2007, 04:20 AM // 04:20

i agree with most of the changes but...

HB MAPS STILL PLAGUE TA AND RA. ANET, please go to this thread and see how majority hates it: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10214784

Listen to your players. remove them. we do not want.

Kaida the Heartless · Nov 09, 2007, 04:29 AM // 04:29

I think they are a nice change (the maps). Now, Johnny Mending can run off and distract the other team while I go cap! XD

I still think assassins need to get hit with the nerfstick.

Dancing Daggers: 10 Second Recharge time.
Entangling Asp: Poisons and Cripples target foe, lose the KD.

Feathermoore Rep · Nov 09, 2007, 04:29 AM // 04:29

Horible - I said Condition/preps make for good pressure and degen however not everything is vunerable to conditions.

Maybe you should try reading the whole post. I never said there weren't other builds. I just said they weren't as good. I use a condition, interupt build now. Its just not my preference right now though.

But whatever, ill get over it. Splinter barrage still works definately not as good though.

ValaOfTheFens · Nov 09, 2007, 04:29 AM // 04:29

Dunkoro is a sad Mo/Me. *lol* LoD was his fav elite, though Tahlkora uses it better, and now it heals for less. Ah well...Heal Party got buffed. I could give him Healer's Boon but he'd prolly try to keep it up all the time.

The Splinter Weapon nerf depresses me. Making it last 20 seconds doesn't make up for the fail. I'd rather deal damage to more targets than having it last longer. Whenever a nerf happens I can't help but despise the PvP community a little. Monsters don't go to ANet and complain about how monks abuse LoD or how rangers spam Splinter Weapon and Barrage.

chowmein69 · Nov 09, 2007, 04:33 AM // 04:33

monks got buffed

callmewoof · Nov 09, 2007, 04:40 AM // 04:40

Unlike some here, I for one am HAPPY with the updates (although they're still testing this week, who knows the final results). Please note that my opinion is from a PvE perspective.

Monk
Light of Deliverance: For PvE... dang that sucks. (For PvP... HAHAHAHA About time, choke on that LoD-Spammers)
Glimmer of Light: Awesome! I liked it before, love it now.
Healer's Boon: The only reason I didn't like before was the -1 energy, but now it's great. Almost TOO good...
Healing Breeze: Good god that's one helluva buff. Wammos rejoice, and N/Mo just got 5x better than Mo/N for 55 SS farming.
Word of Healing: Healing Super Elite, anybody? (Yay)

Ranger
Magebane Shot: UNBLOCKABLE INTURRUPT? Yes Please.

Ritualist
Splinter Weapon: I can hear abandoned rangers crying in the background

I really do like the updates to monk but my SipdeySense is tingling that by the end of the week Anet is going to give a Roundhouse Kick to HB and WoH and take them down a few notches (Chuck Norris FTW

).